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WTCC 2009
You can't predict that those entries will compete in the whole season. Yes, it may be pedantic. But it's true. Only when the driver competes in all 24 rounds then you can put "All" in the rounds box. See various series' season articles like GP2, World Series by Renault and British F3. Regards, Cs-wolves(talk) 18:34, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
- The lucky thing about it is, car #29 is due to be the Eurocopa car – the car in which the best performer at the previous round gets a shot at the next WTCC round. Meaning there will be a different driver at each round. I'd just keep it to the TBA if a driver was to be announced. Don't want rumours on there, and only put the round numbers on when they actually compete in the round.
Say for example, Marin Čolak couldn't make it for Puebla, and a replacement driver came in and uses the same number. It could be done like so:
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With the 3 and 4 signifying the driver took part at Puebla.
Regards, Cs-wolves(talk) 19:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
- I was aware of that, but I was using that above to signify how it would be done if the drivers didn't change numbers (á la F1, GP2). It would be the way you had it for changing numbers. Regards, Cs-wolves(talk) 20:04, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Previous years of numerous articles
I don't see why not. Seems a good way of putting it, to be quite honest. Regards, Cs-wolves(talk) 22:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
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Jarmo Lehtinen
Hey. I've created a requested move regarding Jarmo Lehtinen (co-driver), so you might want to hold off on fixing those wikilinks. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 20:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Former BTCC drivers
The Plato and Thompson articles should have the alumnus template on them. Because they are currently not active in the series. Just copy the one from the Muller page and work from there.
I believe ※ that Kane is the official test driver for F2, although if Motorbase run a third car at somepoint, Kane will be at the wheel. Regards. Cs-wolves(talk) 18:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Re:Colours?
I think the colours would originally have been used in the IndyCar article because of the stronger association of certain numbers with certain entrants and drivers that exists in US racing. This connection also exists in the other categories you extended it to (plus these articles are not as well maintained, so minor changes like that are less likely to be challenged). In F1, this connection has not existed since the numbering system was changed in 1996, so there's probably less of a reason for the colour-coded numbers. However, it would be worth bringing this issue up at WT:F1 as I don't really have a strong opinion on the matter, and it would be useful to get some more input.--Diniz(talk) 18:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
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Article of the month - 2008 German Grand Prix, current Good Article Candidate.
 The 2008 German Grand Prix (formally the LXVIII Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland) was a Formula One motor race held on July 20, 2008 at the Hockenheimring, Hockenheim, Germany. It was the 10th race of the 2008 Formula One season. The race, contested over 67 laps, was won by Lewis Hamilton for the McLaren team after starting from pole position. Nelson Piquet, Jr. finished second in a Renault car, with Felipe Massa third in a Ferrari. Hamilton maintained his startline advantage and led until he made his first pit stop on lap 18. As other cars made their pit stops, Hamilton regained the lead on lap 22. On lap 36 Timo Glock crashed, and the race was neutralized by the deployment of the safety car. Hamilton, on a two-stop strategy, did not stop to get more fuel during this period, while all the cars around him did. Thus when he did eventually stop on lap 50, he rejoined the race in fifth. In the closing stages of the race, Hamilton overtook first his team-mate Heikki Kovalainen, then Massa, and finally Piquet, to take the lead again on lap 60, which he maintained to win the race. The victory was Hamilton's second consecutive win, having won the preceding British Grand Prix at Silverstone. The win put him ahead of his two main rivals in the Drivers' Championship, Kimi Räikkönen (who finished sixth) and Massa of Ferrari, who were on equal points with him before the race. After the race he was four points ahead of Räikkönen, and seven ahead of Massa. In the Constructors' Championship, McLaren drew closer to the two teams ahead of them, BMW Sauber and Ferrari. Ferrari still led by 15 points from McLaren, and 12 from BMW, whose drivers – Nick Heidfeld and Robert Kubica – finished fourth and seventh respectively. (More...) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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2008 BTCC table
There is no way of getting everything to fit in perfectly. You'll have to work it as so.
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I don't know how we did'nt get mistaken because on your page, it says you're from England but on mine it says I'm from Ireland, lol! --Danny 93 (talk) 20:33, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
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Article of the month - 2008 Bahrain Grand Prix, new Good Article
 The 2008 Bahrain Grand Prix (formally the V Gulf Air Bahrain Grand Prix) was a Formula One motor race held on April 6, 2008 at the Bahrain International Circuit, in Sakhir, Bahrain. It was the third race of the 2008 Formula One season. The race, contested over 57 laps, was won by Felipe Massa for the Ferrari team. Kimi Räikkönen was second in the other Ferrari, and BMW Sauber driver Robert Kubica was third. The race began with Kubica in pole position alongside Massa; Lewis Hamilton, the eventual Drivers' Champion, started from third, alongside Räikkönen. Kubica was passed by Massa into the first corner, and then by Räikkönen on the third lap. The Ferraris dominated at the front of the race, leading to their one-two finish. Hamilton had a slow start after almost stalling on the grid, and dropped back to ninth. The McLaren driver ran into the back of Fernando Alonso's Renault a lap later, breaking off the McLaren's front wing and dropping Hamilton to the back of the field. Kubica's strong finish promoted BMW Sauber to the lead in the Constructors' Championship, after BMW driver Nick Heidfeld finished fourth. Ferrari and McLaren trailed, one and two points behind, respectively. Räikkönen took the lead in the Drivers' Championship, with 19 points, three points ahead of Heidfeld and five ahead of Hamilton, Kubica and Kovalainen, with 15 races remaining in the season. (More..) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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DTM infoboxes
Well I got the main stats (starts, wins, etc.) from Driver Database, and get the championship positions from the other articles, if they are not listed on DriverDB. Regards. Cs-wolves(talk) 09:45, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
F2
It's carnage today. There's NASCAR, IRL, BTCC, F3 Euro, DTM, F2, WTCC, IFM, and so much more. I didn't include it because we really shouldn't have sponsorship in the races/cars. I can't remember the exact position of where it was on Wiki, but it's something I remember being told not to have sponsorship. Cs-wolves(talk) 12:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, it's an interesting point. I think PalmerSport Junior ran all the cars in T-Cars, and then PalmerSport in FPA. Not 100% sure on that, but I think it should be feasible to have it there. ;) Cs-wolves(talk) 12:36, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
WTCC results
Seems alright, although you should really put the bold and/or italics on the circuit name, not the actual result. Also, there was a load of numbers after the coloured first eight rounds. No need for them. Cs-wolves(talk) 01:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
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Article of the month - 2008 Turkish Grand Prix, new Good Article
 The 2008 Turkish Grand Prix (formally the IV Petrol Ofisi Turkish Grand Prix) was a Formula One motor race held on May 11, 2008 at the Istanbul Racing Circuit, Istanbul, Turkey. It was the fifth race of the 2008 Formula One season. The race, contested over 58 laps, was won by Felipe Massa for the Ferrari team after starting from pole position. Lewis Hamilton finished second in a McLaren, with Kimi Räikkönen third in the second Ferrari. Massa claimed pole, with teammate Räikkönen fourth, the two Ferrari cars sandwiching the McLarens of Heikki Kovalainen and Hamilton. At the first corner Räikkönen clipped Kovalainen's rear tyre and gave him a puncture. The safety car was deployed on the first lap, after a collision, but only remained out for one lap. During the course of the race, Hamilton, intending to make one more pit stop than both Ferrari drivers, was faster than Massa due to carrying a lighter fuel load and overtook him on lap 24. After Hamilton had made his third pit stop, he rejoined in second behind Massa but in front of the Championship leader, Räikkönen. Massa won the race, with Hamilton 3.779 seconds behind, and Räikkönen a further half-second behind. The two BMW Sauber cars of Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld took fourth and fifth. In the week running up to the grand prix, the Super Aguri team had withdrawn from Formula One, due to financial problems, leaving the sport with only ten teams. Massa's victory was his third consecutive pole position and victory in Turkey, having also won the race from pole in 2006 and 2007. This was also Rubens Barrichello's 257th Grand Prix start, breaking Riccardo Patrese's previous record of 256. Due to the race result, Räikkönen's lead in the Drivers' Championship was lowered to seven points. Massa rose to second from fourth, whilst Hamilton dropped to third, both drivers tying on 28 points but separated by Massa's two wins thus far to Hamilton's one. In the Constructors' Championship, Ferrari increased their lead to 22 points ahead of BMW Sauber, with McLaren a further two points behind in third. (More...) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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2010 F1 Grid
Okay, but I've added a whole heap in there on the FIA's ultimatum and Renault's potential withdrawl due to a downturn in sales. They're both pretty much identical save for my new stuff, so I'll just edit that in. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 10:31, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
- Nah, that's alright. I usually do the qualifying tables, an I stick one in there through force of habit. I was expecting an edit conflict, anyway. I only made one change to your table: Campos are actually going to be known as Campos Meta1, not Campos Grand Prix. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 10:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
- Found article listing name as Campos Meta1 - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75501 Prisonermonkeys (talk) 11:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
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Article of the month - 2008 Monaco Grand Prix, new Featured Article
 The 2008 Monaco Grand Prix (formally the LXVI Grand Prix de Monaco) was a Formula One motor race held on May 25, 2008 at the Circuit de Monaco; contested over 76 laps, it was the sixth race of the 2008 Formula One season. The race was won by the season's eventual Drivers' Champion, Lewis Hamilton, for the McLaren team. BMW Sauber driver Robert Kubica finished second, and Felipe Massa, who started from pole position, was third in a Ferrari. Conditions were wet at the start of the race. Massa maintained his lead into the first corner, but his teammate Kimi Räikkönen was passed for second by Hamilton, who had started in third position on the grid. Hamilton suffered a punctured tyre on lap six, forcing him to make a pit stop from which he re-entered the race in fifth place. As the track dried and his rivals made their own pit stops Hamilton became the race leader, a position he held until the end of the race. Kubica's strategy allowed him to pass Massa during their second pit stops, after the latter's Ferrari was forced to change from wet to dry tyres. Räikkönen dropped back from fifth position to ninth after colliding with Adrian Sutil's Force India late in the race. Sutil had started from 18th on the grid and was in fourth position before the incident, which allowed Red Bull driver Mark Webber to finish fourth, ahead of Toro Rosso driver Sebastian Vettel in fifth. The race was Hamilton's second win of the season, his first in Monaco, and the result meant that he led the Drivers' Championship, seven points ahead of Räikkönen and eight ahead of Massa. Ferrari maintained their lead in the Constructors' Championship, 16 points ahead of McLaren and 17 ahead of BMW Sauber, with 12 races of the season remaining. (More...) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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--Midgrid(talk) 17:21, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
WTCC infobox
Sadly, it's like that for a reason. 1987 WTCC rounds were made up by a single race, and the infobox should be applied to those races as well as the current era races. Cs-wolves(talk) 16:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- Never thought of that proposal. ;) Cs-wolves(talk) 16:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Rigon
I think at first that Rigon was done for the season due to the budgetary problems, as it had been on the cards since Monaco. When he missed out in Germany, I thought González had the drive for a while, but obviously I was wrong! Cs-wolves(talk) 19:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Coloni/FMS
It all depends on the other series, if they're still going under the FMS name or whether they're all changing to Scuderia Coloni. I believe the Coloni parts should be split, as one focusses on the Grand Prix team, while a short section appears for the F3000 team. Oh, and if you ever need something for the GP2 media thing, Username: gp2 and Password: media. ;) Cs-wolves(talk) 12:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Coloni Motorsport would be best I feel, as that incorporates both the F3000 team and the GP2 team. We can always reflect the new name at the top, in a similar way to Fat Burner Racing Engineering. FMS only existed from 2005 onwards, so there will be very little in comparison to all the Coloni info. I apologise for my talk page then! Cs-wolves(talk) 13:44, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'd say keep the FMS GP2 stuff on the article. BCN details are listed on the Ocean Racing Technology article, so we have to follow such. I'd say we'd have to look such websites that track a lot of the series for Coloni results. Cs-wolves(talk) 15:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Yep, that sounds pretty feasible. I'm sure Speedsport and Driver Database will also document some of the statistics also. Really? I got on this article pretty easy, and I'm not a subscriber. Odd... Cs-wolves(talk) 16:29, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Well you have to admit it is three and a half years old after all. ;) Cs-wolves(talk) 18:50, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Redirects
True, but then again, I usually do most articles out of boredom. Unless some people beat me to it (ahem, Tambay and Merhi...Peter). ;) Although, I don't need to order people to create some other articles, unlike some users. Ha. Cs-wolves(talk) 17:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
FBMW Europe
104 points is a domination, isn't it not? ;) Cs-wolves(talk) 17:24, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- No worries man. Erm...I just followed the consensus with what to do. A possible re-consensus might be required on the WPMS but I don't know. And yeah, I did see it. Cs-wolves(talk) 19:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Felipe Nasr
That was some good timing with your creation of the article; just as I had found this image on Flickr.--Midgrid(talk) 20:46, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Lotus F1 Team/Team Lotus
Thank but no thanks. I see no reason I can't post a discussion item to BOTH pages so long as both exist. I wanted it to be on the Lotus F1 Team, so that people may go to Team Lotus and see the fact that I have posted on Team Lotus an opposition to the split. I think it is necessary for those who see that page first to know that the discussion is going on.--Amedeofelix (talk) 18:24, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
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Glock/Kobayashi in Template:Formula One teams
Hello. Referring to your edit to Template:Formula One teams, please see WT:F1#Glock/Kobayashi in Template:Formula One teams, to see a discussion on which driver should be where. The agreement was that Glock is the contracted driver that drives for Toyota, and Kobayashi is just a stand-in. If you disagree, please discuss at WT:F1#Glock/Kobayashi in Template:Formula One teams. Darth Newdar 19:53, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
RBM/BMW Team UK
Seems like the right call. Only if the team is licenced as a British team should it be listed as a British team. Cs-wolves(talk) 18:41, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
- Rather than getting involved in an edit war, talk it over with him. Share opinions. Cs-wolves(talk) 23:32, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Mercedes
I admit I screwed up. However, at the time the article I linked to was the best that I had. I understand a little German, and took the article at its word. The idea was to beat others to the punch and prevent a flurry of edits and vandals. However, that report was premature and I inadvertently caused the very problem I was seeking to avoid. I will add that none of the reports out of Britain were accurate until Autosport ran something that confirmed no driver decisions had been made. And unlike most people who edit things in without references, I went back and reversed (almost) everything I did. That's how I justify dong it: based on the information available, I had what I thought was an accurate assessment. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 13:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Oops
I didn't even know that existed. My bad. Eightball (talk) 19:16, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Hitler
Please, is Hitler your idol? Stop acting like him if otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.55.90.110 (talk) 21:03, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Solberg has said that he will compete in 2010. Didnt even have time to add the whole thing before it was taken away so please find the source and add it Mr.Hitler, since you dont want anyone else to edit! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.55.90.110 (talk) 06:57, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Then there was the time I put it on at. 3am. I should think before posting at that hour. Cs-wolves(talk) 16:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Di Grassi/Manor
(→Teams and drivers: mention the reported team in note) It was the best solution after all. Thanks. Fsarmony (talk) 17:58, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
2010 F1 season
I've raised an issue re sourcing of drivers names in the 2010 F1 season article. As I mentioned you by name in my post, I'm informing you as a courtesy. The discussion can be found at Talk:2010 Formula One season#Sources? where you are welcome to contribute. Mjroots (talk) 07:27, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Oli Webb
Hope you don't mind me expanding the info you stuck into the article. ;) Cs-wolves(talk) 01:05, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- I don't know, I just felt inclined to ask after you did most of the work to get it to a standard befitting an article. Although, noting the previous AfD that the user in question had raised will see that we will keep the article. Yeah. Cs-wolves(talk) 23:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
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