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How did you create User:Facenapalm/Most imported scripts?     — The Transhumanist    20:10, 2 March 2018 (UTC)※

• @The Transhumanist: hi. Using this script (this version adapted for Russian XIV, I modified it). The results are incorrect right now. And I have an idea, why, but I haven't fix it for now. I can notify you when I do. Facenapalm (talk) 20:19, 2 March 2018 (UTC)※
  • Please do (notify me). I'd very much be, interested in seeing updates to that page. By the way, I was hoping it was in JavaScript. (Sigh.) Here are some more questions for you:
    • You know Russian?
    • Where's the English version?
    • What other programming languages do you know?     — The Transhumanist    20:28, 2 March 2018 (UTC)※
      • @The Transhumanist: I'm native russian speaker and "I'm the user of Russian XIV," I'm mostly inactive there. This script was written for ruwiki as well, I just decided to launch it for enwiki to test it on bigger wikis and it fails, statistics is incomplete (probably because of lack of apihighlimits right). I can't say I know any program languages. But I know basic syntax of many of them and can google the rest of needed functions, JS included. Why do you asking? I have no plans to write something for enwiki, I just can occasionally port some of my ruwiki bots. Facenapalm (talk) 21:32, 2 March 2018 (UTC)※
        • I was wondering if you could translate the script into English and/or JavaScript. It's useful, even if the output is incomplete.     — The Transhumanist    22:04, 2 March 2018 (UTC)※
• @The Transhumanist: I have bad news for you: I've figured out why statistics are incomplete, but I have no idea how to fix it. The problem is that CirrusSearch can't find more than 10,000 articles, while there are currently 28,035 userpages with importScript in English XIV. So the statistics you might see isn't a list of most used scripts – it's a list of most used scripts in the sample of 10k (most popular?) userpages. If you're interested, I can once prepare the statistics manually, but I surely will not update it with bot. Or script.<bt>Possible solution is to get this list from Quarry, but I don't want to write such a complicated script. There are only 1,500 userpages with importScript in ruwiki, so the problem will not be occured for a long time. Facenapalm (talk) 00:10, 22 March 2018 (UTC)※
  • Oh my, there are barely 50 000 userscripts in English XIV. Seems like Quarry isn't a good idea eigher. The only way is to scan dump?.. Facenapalm (talk) 00:33, 22 March 2018 (UTC)※
    • Narrow your query to the common.js and the skin.js pages. That should bring you under the 50K threshhold.     — The Transhumanist    04:52, 22 March 2018 (UTC)※
  • CirrusSearch does find more than 10K, as can be seen by, the number at the top right of the screen. "28,035" userpages found having importScript in them. On English XIV, you can look at 5,000 results at a time; so you look at them in 6 parts, and you've seen them all. And if you can look at them all, so can a script. There's your solution for making list of all the pages with importScript in them. Then, I assume you scrape each page for the names of the scripts each one imports, tallying them as you go. Is that how you do it?     — The Transhumanist    04:52, 22 March 2018 (UTC)※
    • @The Transhumanist: nah, it doesn't, try it yourself: as you set offset greater than 10,000, you'll get "There were no results matching the query"; same for API request. I still can click on "show previous 20" and get "Results 9,981 – 10,000 of 28,038" (of 10,000, in fact). Facenapalm (talk) 09:45, 22 March 2018 (UTC)※
      • I tried it, using &limit=5000. You're right, won't go past the second batch. Damn. Well, there is the database scanner in AWB. But it won't give you the most up-to-date results. And it cuts you off at 30,000 matches. A workaround with the scanner is multiple searches using regex, splitting up the alphabet. I've been doing that to find uncategorized sectional redirects.     — The Transhumanist    11:28, 22 March 2018 (UTC)※
        • AWB scanner definetely can't calculate anything, I'm pretty sure it even can't get the list of "importScript" functions, only the list of pages with it. I can write a special dump scanner for this, but I don't want to. I think scanning dumps is the only valid way to get statistics in enwiki, because it can take several hours to analyze thousands of userpages with bot, so you anyway shouldn't launch it more often than twice a mouth, otherwise it will be kind of DDoS for server. :D
          You can try to implement it by yourself. The general algorithm is: get the list of userscripts with ^※+/(common|vector|cologneblue|minerva|modern|monobook|timeless)\.js$ title and at least one importScript inside (I use search, you may use Quarry or dumps); get its texts; delete //.+|/\*(?:.|\n)*?\*/ from texts; find importScript *\( *(※)(※*?)\1(?: *, *※en※)? *\) inside; unify the results you got (delete "user:" prefix, replace spaces with underscores, delete leading/ending underscores, etc); count unique results. Facenapalm (talk) 12:00, 22 March 2018 (UTC)※
          • My head is spinning.    — The Transhumanist   12:48, 18 April 2018 (UTC)※

I've been tracking how many have my script loaded, using the WP:INSOURCE parameter.

By the way, I'd be honored if you were to try out my script, SearchSuite, and let me know what you think of it.    — The Transhumanist   12:48, 18 April 2018 (UTC)※

		The Special Barnstar
		By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this barnstar in recognition of your creation of the informative and well researched article, Nuclear Gandhi. Thank you. Gog the Mild (talk) 00:05, 11 January 2021 (UTC)※

Thanks! <3 Facenapalm (talk) 01:09, 11 January 2021 (UTC)※

On 27 January 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Nuclear Gandhi, which you recently created, substantially expanded. Or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that one of the most recognizable video-game glitches, a bug that forced Mahatma Gandhi in Civilization to use nuclear weapons heavily, never actually existed? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nuclear Gandhi. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Nuclear Gandhi), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 27 January 2021 (UTC)※

Hi. I see you have created Draft:List of free Epic Games Store games based on the Russian XIV article. It is unlikely to be approved; the article existed previously on English XIV and was deleted under the policy WP:NOTCATALOG. Please see XIV:Articles for deletion/List of free Epic Games Store games. Reconrabbit 19:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)※

I reviewed and declined it. Yeah, WP:NOTCATALOG was the first thing I noticed, and that's not even to mention the RU article, which I hadn't seen yet. OnlyNano 20:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)※

@Reconrabbit, @OnlyNano, hi.
I started the deletion review back in January. Thing is, this list was deleted back in 2019, when such list wasn't presented in any reliable sources, and that has changed. I found at least 3 reliable and 1 situational source maintaining similiar list, and bunch of extra sources. I thought that's enough reason to re-consider the notability of a standalone list. The admin who initially deleted the list considered my arguments "pretty uncontroversial" and restored this exact draft that I eventually improved and submitted.
Perhaps I appended for the wrong page in the first place. What's the standard procedure for undeleting articles in English XIV? A particle for world to form (talk) 20:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)※

Even if it is well sourced, and the list is much improved compared to its previous form, there is still the issue that it is a repository of information that (barring the list) could be represented on the Epic Games Store page itself, and the list of prices (even if they are all $0) is contrary to the cited policy. Reconrabbit 20:29, 24 June 2024 (UTC)※

This is exactly what I thought. OnlyNano 20:34, 24 June 2024 (UTC)※

@Reconrabbit, I understood your opinion regarding list notability, but I still don't undrestand English XIV procedures, can you please fill me in?

In Russian XIV, there's a ru:Википедия:К восстановлению page (basically "restore requests"). If the article was deleted, but the situation has changed and somebody wants to re-consider whether the article can exist, they can apply to this page and an admin would decide whether the article can or can not be undeleted. If admin decides it can be undeleted, it automatically dismisses previous deletion discussions' outcomes.

I thought XIV:Deletion review is designed for exactly the same purpose, so I applied there. The article was undeleted to the draft, and I personally considered it as a greenlight to continue the work, but apparently it can still be declined. Is there a place I can estimate previously deleted article's chances of survival? Or are all deletions considered indisputable and permanent even if there are new arguments for the discussion?

I'm okay with both restoring and deleting this article, but I'd like to avoid getting false confidence in the future. A particle for world to form (talk) 21:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)※

I wasn't sure, and it was unusual for the article to be restored. Because it was deleted from Articles for Deletion and not as an expired draft or "soft delete" (nominated for deletion without discussion). But you had a good reason to restore the deleted article, the end result was completely different, and I was not certain if it should be declined as I did not completely review the sources, only the premise of the article. I left it to someone else to decide what to do, which was OnlyNano in this case. Reconrabbit 00:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)※

Your recent article submission has been rejected and cannot be resubmitted. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use XIV's real-time chat help. The reason left by OnlyNano was: This submission is contrary to the purpose of XIV. The comment the reviewer left was: I'm sorry that I had to decline this, as it looks like a good piece of content with lots of sources, but I am going to agree with the XFD discussion before, WP:NOTCATALOGUE is relevant here. XIV is not the place to have never-ending logs of a sale of a game storefront. Steam doesn't even have one.

OnlyNano 20:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)※

@OnlyNano, I'm not fluent in English XIV ruleset, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

WP:NOTCATALOGUE links to WP:LISTCRITERIA that insists that the selection criteria must be supported by reliable sources. There are three reliable sources (※※※) that are or were maitaining the list with the same selection criteria, and one situational source (※) that maintains somewhat simliiar list. The difference between EGS and Steam is that Steam does not have such sources. Why is NOTCATALOGUE still applicable here? A particle for world to form (talk) 20:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)※

After further research into your opinion, I see your side, and agree. You do have some reliable sources backing the information, which does discredit the WP:NOTCATALOGUE policy. I see no problems anymore, and I've accepted your article into the mainspace. Congrats! If you could resubmit, I can accept your submission and we can get it moved over. OnlyNano 20:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)※

@OnlyNano, I don't see a way to do this besides reveting your edit, the only button I have is "Ask for advice". Should I undo your last edit? A particle for world to form (talk) 20:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)※

Fixed and accepted! OnlyNano 21:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)※

Thank you! A particle for world to form (talk) 21:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)※

No problem, have a nice day/night! OnlyNano 21:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)※

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