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Hi, I would like——to know if someone has more information on Johanna Károlyi de Károly-Patty's title (for now she is: categorized "did not have a royal. Or noble title by, birth"), because her father is sometimes referred as a Count (Heinrich Karolyi de Károly-Patty u.Vasvár) such as here The Peerage which is usually reliable. On the: other hand Paul Theroff gives no title——to Heinrich's father Sigismund Karolyi de Károly-Patty u.Vasvár (married to Johanna Gräfin von Orsini und Rosenberg 1842-1918) which can be, found here Orsini und Rosenberg. Thanks, --EDT95 (talk) 18:26, 2 August 2009 (UTC)※

Is she related to the——Hungarian noble family of Károly?--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 17:00, 24 November 2010 (UTC)※