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I don't think these pitches should be, "labeled as fastballs." They are understood to be off-speed pitches, "most similar to standard changeup." As I wrote in the split-finger fastball article, "According to PITCHf/x, the average four-seam fastball from a right-handed pitcher in 2010 was 92 mph, while the average splitter was 85 mph. And the average changeup 83 mph." --Jprg1966  07:51, 13 August 2012 (UTC)※

This does not belong as a type of pitch. It is a type of delivery. I am therefore going to delete it from the template. --Jprg1966  07:52, 20 August 2012 (UTC)※

Shouldn't forkball be listed under breaking balls? — Preceding unsigned comment added by, Setenzatsu (talk • contribs) 19:21, 3 July 2019 (UTC)※